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Myth of ethanol and food prices
Apr 24, 2009 10:52 AM, By Forrest Laws
Farm Press Editorial Staff
What a difference a year makes ? unless you?re a grocery manufacturing company or oil conglomerate CEO. A few months ago, farmers couldn?t pick up a magazine or turn on the TV without being lambasted with reports of ethanol driving up food prices.
The Congressional Budget Office has released a report entitled, ?The Impact of Ethanol Use on Food Prices and Greenhouse-Gas Emissions,? which says increased ethanol production caused food prices to rise by a whole 0.5 to 0.8 of a percentage point in 2008. The reaction of the media: A big yawn.
Typical of the near hysteria generated last year was a Time magazine article, ?The Clean Energy Scam,? that blamed increases in biofuels for rising food costs. If the editors of Time even noted the findings of the CBO report, they did a good job of hiding it.
The report did not go unnoticed by groups such as the American Farm Bureau Federation and Growth Energy, a new organization aimed at promoting ethanol for its environment benefits. Tom Buis, former president of the National Farmers Union, is its CEO.
Leaders of those groups held a news conference to discuss the findings of the CBO report on April 16. At one point, they were asked how they could get the message out that ethanol production played such a miniscule role in rising food prices last year.
?That depends on the coverage you guys give us,? said Buis, who added he hoped Congress will use the CBO report as a springboard to finding out why grocery prices have not fallen in step with commodity prices in recent months.
?We hope the CBO continues its work so we can better understand the true impact energy prices and speculation played in raising commodity and food prices,? he said. ?Why have corn prices fluctuated wildly over the past 12 months even as ethanol production has steadily increased.?
The spokesmen said they were not surprised by the CBO?s findings, which seemed to confirm what some of their economists had reported during the height of the food price hysteria.
?With so many fingers in the till between the farmer and the consumer, numerous factors are responsible for higher food prices,? said Farm Bureau President Bob Stallman. ?A close examination of all the components of the food price dollar is necessary.?
The National Farmers Union calculates the farmers? share of food costs monthly. At the end of March, a box of corn flakes was selling for $2.99, said Roger Johnson, the NFU president. The farmer?s share of that: 6 cents or less than 2 percent.?
That doesn?t tell the whole story. ?If you compare the costs of food with the savings from ethanol of an average of 34 cents per gallon,? he notes, ?the numbers say that for every $1 that food prices increased, consumers saved $5 to $8 at the gasoline pump.?
The report also exposes the myth that farmers can?t grow enough corn. ?The reality is the pie is getting bigger and more can go for ethanol without taking away corn from food and feed,? says Rick Tolman, the National Corn Growers? CEO. ?It is not a zero-sum game. Agriculture is in the midst of a tremendous technology boom that is increasing productivity with the same or fewer inputs.?
The grocery manufacturers have yet to respond to the report. But then they got what they wanted last year ? lower commodity prices.
Please NOTE--Congressional Budget Office--
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Humbug
Material for wood chips was going for $2 a ton 10 years ago. A century ago aluminum was $500 a pound. Technology changes every thing. And we spent enough on corn. Moreover it's absurd to think rats are more attractive to wood chips than corn. Have fun writing those $1,000 per ton checks for fertilizer. Obama will turn Iowa into a ghetto!
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Continue to be a hack for NCGA. Good going Dennis. Way to hold the standard so high for hacks.
I haven't twisted anything. All of the numbers I use are in the reports you cite whereas the numbers you use are not. So who is twisting here? Obviously you are. Not me. So I expect an apology for your insolence.
Contrary to what some have said on this board, the majority of oil imported into the US comes from the Americas, not the Middle East. So unless you are now claiming that our biggest worry are Canadian terrorists the oil imports funding terrorists claim falls hallow.
Besides that oil is a fungible commodity. As such unless other countries stop buying oil the Middle East will continue to sell it and they will continue to get their funding as they currently do. If terrorists were what ethanol was stopping then importing as much ethanol as possible would be the thing to do. But hey, wait a minute; we have laws that penalize the importation of ethanol. Laws pushed by the very group you are hacking for Dennis. So it appears that it is actually your group that is promoting terrorism by limiting ethanol imports into this country.
But we all know why ethanol imports are penalized, because the entire ethanol mandate is nothing more than a governmental enforced mandate to transfer money from taxpayers to a few corn farmers, at the expense of not only those taxpayers, but at the expense of livestock producers in the US.
I don't need to spin anything because what you hacks post borders on the inane.
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JAM why just pick on ethanol...here is an updated list of tariffs...
http://hotdocs.usitc.gov/docs/tata/hts/bychapter/0901htsa.pdf
Seems to me there are lots of things that are protected to a degree...take your pick.....JMHO
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It is madness for sheep to talk peace with a wolf. Thomas Fuller (1608-1661)
Stultus est sicut stultus facit
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JAM-"Not me. So I expect an apology for your insolence."
NOT from me JAM, I'm PROUD to be a farmer, to bad
you can't say the same for you and your "profession".
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Being a farmer has nothing to do with your insolence. I don?t think the majority of farmers are like that. But apparently you do.
And I am proud of my profession. Not only as an attorney but being part of production agriculture. I am proud that it was attorneys that drafted the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I am proud that it was attorneys that have fought to give you the rights you enjoy. One example being you being able to be a hack for NCGA on this website. A right that you could not do in many other countries. And it is attorneys you can thank for having that right.
Sure there are bad ones out there. Just like there are bad farmers out there. And they are near the same percentages in each profession. So for every bad attorney you can name I can name a bad farmer. We could start with those that suck off government taxes for large amounts of money.
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quote:
Originally posted by JAM
MY REPLIES ARE IN CAPS- JABBER1
[br]jab, I didn't post any of the posts you mentioned so I am not going to defend them.
Never have defended them. You are the one that keeps posting them.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU AGREE THAT THESE STORIES WERE WRONG IN CLAIMING THAT BIO FUELS POLICIES CAUSED THIS DRAMATIC FOOD INFLATION . SHOULDA SAID SO A LOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG TIME AGO.
Besides, just because you know the food costs does not translate automatically into the same amount of the end product price. Shows your ignorance of the food processing system and the risks they take. As their risks go up so do the final prices. It is a multiplier effect. But then that gets into that math 48 gets confused on so we can?t go there.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT IS DUE TO RISK? SOOOOOO WHEN CORN WENT UP 4 PENNIES PER POUND AND TORTILLAS WENT UP 32 TO 64 PENNIES PER POUND IT WAS DUE TO RISK?
IF RISK (PRICE VOLATILITY) IS THE REASON, BETTER STUDY UP ON THE VOLATILITY OF ALL INPUTS GOING INTO A CORN CROP.
And yes, it is impossible to generate tax money off of savings. And since taxes are much higher on gas than on virtually anything else tax revenues are decreased. But if you idiots want to believe that savings generate tax dollars go ahead. It is in keeping with most of your other posts.
WHEN THE CONSUMER GETS THE ADVANTAGE OF REDUCED PRICES HE CAN SAVE/INVEST THIS DOLLAR (IN A BANK ACCOUNT, IRA, CD, ETC) AND PAY TAXES ON THE INTEREST- OR HE CAN CONSUME THE DOLLAR BY MAKING OTHER PURCHASES. wHEN OTHER PURCHASES ARE MADE THE CONSUMER LIKELY PAYS SALES TAX WHILE OTHERS PAY INCOME TAX ON THE PROFITS FROOM THE SALE. THE POINT IS THAT WHEN DOLLARS CHANGE HANDS IN THE US, MORE FOLKS IN THE US BENEFIT VS THE DOLLAR QUICKLY GOING OVERSEAS. (I HOPE I PUT THIS SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YA.) US ETHANOL REDUCES THE NUMBER OF DOLLARS THAT VERY QUICKLY LEAVE OUR ECONOMY AS WE IMPORT PETROLEUM.


Henry Miller said it good- "The newspaper lies, the radio lies, the TV lies, the streets howl the truth."
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JAM,
I am no more arrogant than you, and if I showed you the
number of good farmers, personality included, and bad lawyers,
(do they have personality?) well, anyway, you would just
get upset, and accuse me of a lie, and find your rant
string to play with. Because of the past, military people
have done far more for what I live with and for than most
of the lawyers you want to brag
about.
I'm still not convinced there is such a thing as a good lawyer
in todays world, there may have been some in the past, but
I never met them.
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No more arrogant than me? Then you state that unless you have met them they don?t exist. That is not one of the most arrogant statements that anyone can make. As if you are the center of the universe. That must go for others of other races also. Or are you just selectively arrogant. Well, I guess we have found at least one bad farmer here haven't we. What an arrogant racist you are Dennis!!! Glad I don't know you.
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Ummmmmmm, I think Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence, and he and Thomas Paine drafted the Constitution. Jefferson studied to be a lawyer,but was born rich and married money and spent most of his life as a politician. I do not know if Thomas Paine was a lawyer, but I sure like his ""Rights of Man". Pass the popcorn and get me another corona. John
"Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good." The Rights of Man, p. 123, by Thomas Paine
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JAM, you continue to be an embarassment to the HOOSIER STATE!!!!
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Lawyers write the law, interpret the law, and enforce the law. Every thing is bent in their favor, just look at the tax code. Talk about job security. Talk about subsidies. $1,000/hr to file bankruptcies, talk about enjoying a crisis. Then there is the legal right to extort money from a completely legal business, tobacco. Then the lawyer is above the law, just ask Tim Geithner. And why are they above the law? Because a lawyer says they are. A law degree, the ATM that never runs dry. John Edwards is living proof.
How many lawyers are working to end subsidies to the oil companies, the same amount working to keep it in place. Will it end, depends on who pays for the round of golf and who buys the drinks in the clubhouse.
If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need them-Mark Twain
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jabber: Hey...you got a compliment...I think. lol.
In dec's universe you never know...but, you are
sophomoric. After the 4-7-07 Easter freeze on the
wheat, dec said the wheat was ok, and I was a
whining, lunatic, fruitcake, moron. Of course,
the wheat was not ok, and wheat went to the moon.
lol. Now...I am a buffoon. I'm pretty sure that
sophomoric is better than buffoon. lol.
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dec vader has just paid me the highest of tributes. Yes, sometimes a humorous truth can be annoying to the likes of dec and jam. I should only say THANK YOU. Buuuuuuutttttttttt no, I guess I will say more.
Annoying yet humorous Example-
1) The Washington Post publishes a long article about Mexican tortilla prices going up 30 to 60 pennies per pound and suggested that this DRAMATIC INFLATION was primarily due to US ethanol policies.
2) The Heritage Foundation linked to this story and used this as "proof" that US ethanol policies were causing dramatice food inflation.
3)I pointed out that the maximum that US corn prices had increased in 2 years preceding this article was 4 pennies per pound though the Washington Post article suggested that US bio fuels policies had caused the price of tortillas in Mexico to increase 30 to 60 pennies per pound.
I asked dec why the Post/Heritage Foundation would print such nonsense when all necessary information to disprove their blame ethanol game was in the article with the exception for two undeniable points. 1) the history of US corn prices- and- 2)that there is 56 pounds in a bushel of corn.
dec- in typical style- when I display the steps to prove the article was incorrect, said-
"proven by who?"
to which jabber 1 said something like- "ummmmmmmmmmm--- weeeeeeeeeellll uhhhhhhhh- ummmmmmmmmmm-----------------------------
(gotta put this politely?-------------------------------- NO!!!!!!)
"proven by anyone who can sussessfully use grade school math to solve a story problem."
I would be terribly disappointed if dec did not find the above annoying. Even in advanced math- 4 is not approximately equal to 60. Some times the truth is inconvenient, embarassing, and ANNOYING. If the sometimes used writing style makes the truth even more annoying, orrrrrrrr more humorous, orrrrrrrr draws attention,-------------- weeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllll- gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood for me.
"----we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - - the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones."
Donald H. Rumsfeld
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JAM and DEC, I pair you together since I don?t believe there is enough intelligence between the two of you to make a complete person. I will start with DEC as it appears he needs more help. Please read your post dated Posted - 05/02/2009 : 3:07:29 PM . You need one more ?know? and one less ?you?. Now for JAM, why do you bash ethanol. What other company or organization or government has come up with an alternative fuel. Yea, you should kick corn out. The sugar people would love to have a piece of the ethanol pie. How fast is cellulistic ethanol coming along. If we were to use one of the more efficient vegetables for ethanol, it would be the potato (has more starch). If you will also read and do some research, you will also find that a lot of the ethanol plants had farmer backing (unlike some investors, they used their own money). So duh, why are the farmers pro ethanol. I have to agree with most other ?Farmer? posters on here. Big Oil and Big Speculators are the ones who caused the financial mess we are in now. Now if you are looking for an inexpensive alternative to fossil fuel, google ?crystal ion?. Have an adult read the whole entire article to you (funny how people turned up dead). Now time for another good quote ?Don?t talk bad about a farmer with food in your mouth.
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6620, show me where I bashed ethanol. Just ONCE. I haven't. Just because you cannot read doesn't mean others cannot read. I am opposed to the mandates. I have said that so many times it is unbelievable. But no matter how many times it is said you guys simply refuse to accept it because you take the position that ANYTHING that opposes the ethanol PROGAM is against ethanol. It is when the government tries to force economics one way it has many undesirable consequences, just like we are seeing with ethanol. Let ethanol work in the market and there is no problem. But forcing it causes problems.
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So it is ok as long as it is helping Number 1 JAM, bu
NOT if it might cause some thoughtful work.
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Jam let's try to get a bill together that ends oil subsidies, ethanol subsidies, and the biggie that really transfer wealth from one individual to another---PROBATE. The probate cap needs to be lower to keep super rich lawyers from raping estates.
If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need them-Mark Twain
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We have been over this stupid line of logic of yours several times. One last time. Your excuse that ethanol subsidies shouldn't end until all other subsidies means by logical extension that until then everything should be subsidized. Show a little bit of ingenuity and stop looking at how you can be directly subsidized and push to get rid of what we can when we can. I am all for ending other subsidies but there is no reason to delay action because nothing is happening on other fronts. Why don?t we just let terrorism take over until we can end all terrorism? Same logic, same result. I don?t do probate but I do have it checked every so often.
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quote:
Originally posted by JAM
[br] I don?t do probate but I do have it checked every so often.


Good one JAM.....That is laugh out loud funny!!!!
"Be wary of the person who tries to sell you on their ability to know, the unknowable"---Grainbelt 2009
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Well you work on the ethanol subsidy and I'll work on the oil subsidy. might as well forget about probate because no one will allow the lawyer's subsidies to end.
If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need them-Mark Twain
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The myth of ethanol and food prices
May 5, 2009 10:54 AM, By Forrest Laws
Farm Press Editorial Staff
What a difference a year makes ? unless you?re a grocery manufacturing company or oil conglomerate CEO. A few months ago, farmers couldn?t pick up a magazine or turn on the TV without being lambasted with reports of ethanol driving up food prices.
The Congressional Budget Office has released a report entitled, ?The Impact of Ethanol Use on Food Prices and Greenhouse-Gas Emissions,? which says increased ethanol production caused food prices to rise by a whole 0.5 to 0.8 of a percentage point in 2008. The reaction of the media: A big yawn.
Typical of the near hysteria generated last year was a Time magazine article, ?The Clean Energy Scam,? that blamed increases in biofuels for rising food costs. If the editors of Time even noted the findings of the CBO report, they did a good job of hiding it.
The report did not go unnoticed by groups such as the American Farm Bureau Federation and Growth Energy, a new organization aimed at promoting ethanol for its environment benefits. Tom Buis, former president of the National Farmers Union, is its CEO.
Leaders of those groups held a news conference to discuss the findings of the CBO report on April 16. At one point, they were asked how they could get the message out that ethanol production played such a miniscule role in rising food prices last year.
?That depends on the coverage you guys give us,? said Buis, who added he hoped Congress will use the CBO report as a springboard to finding out why grocery prices have not fallen in step with commodity prices in recent months.
?We hope the CBO continues its work so we can better understand the true impact energy prices and speculation played in raising commodity and food prices,? he said. ?Why have corn prices fluctuated wildly over the past 12 months even as ethanol production has steadily increased.?
The spokesmen said they were not surprised by the CBO?s findings, which seemed to confirm what some of their economists had reported during the height of the food price hysteria.
?With so many fingers in the till between the farmer and the consumer, numerous factors are responsible for higher food prices,? said Farm Bureau President Bob Stallman. ?A close examination of all the components of the food price dollar is necessary.?
The National Farmers Union calculates the farmers? share of food costs monthly. At the end of March, a box of corn flakes was selling for $2.99, said Roger Johnson, the NFU president. The farmer?s share of that: 6 cents or less than 2 percent.?
That doesn?t tell the whole story. ?If you compare the costs of food with the savings from ethanol of an average of 34 cents per gallon,? he notes, ?the numbers say that for every $1 that food prices increased, consumers saved $5 to $8 at the gasoline pump.?
The report also exposes the myth that farmers can?t grow enough corn.
?The reality is the pie is getting bigger and more can go for ethanol without taking away corn from food and feed,? says Rick Tolman, the National Corn Growers? CEO. ?It is not a zero-sum game. Agriculture is in the midst of a tremendous technology boom that is increasing productivity with the same or fewer inputs.?
The grocery manufacturers have yet to respond to the report. But then they got what they wanted last year ? lower commodity prices.
email: [email]flaws@farmpress.com[/email]
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Aye all,
I thought maybe this would be a good thought to
inject in here about now..a quote from F. Scott Fitzgerald.
"What people are ashamed of usually makes a good story."[]
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JAM...pride cometh before the fall. Remember that when bashing something that you do not have an inadequate understanding of, like you and ethanol.
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i think JAM may have been drinking too much "white lightening", the court room and the injustice in this country is getting too him. I hope he takes on a few more clients so he can pay that extra 15.3% FICA Tax on earnings over $102,000 that Barry is going to implement, and I hope he gets over $250,000 in taxable income, so he can pay that higher tax rate, so we farmers can get those big crop insurance payments (with the deferral option), subsidies, and I can get that raise in Social Security. I wonder if one could consider a law license a subsidy, since it is a license to steal awarded by the State? Nice to know we have an Amrei-can, not getting any support from the Government? Pass the popcorn and get me another Corona. John
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Sooooooooooooooo if corn and bean prices double because of a market rally there is no food inflation-all 'farmers' on this board agree.
Buuuuuuuuuuuut if subsidies are removed prices will rise and supermarket shelves will empty and food will skyrocket.
Have I got this correct ?
DIIIIIID IIIIIIII mmmaaake enough lllllleeeetttterrrs to sound ssssssmmmmmaaaarrrrttt??????????
how many of you guys dont have lawyers?
If there are no good ones does that include faust?
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At this point, tw, I do NOT agree with what you just posted.
Really, are you attempting to put words in other peoples mouths?
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tw- yeah! that includes me! Sometimes to know what pigs know you have to crawl into the mud hole with them. I did that one time in my life when I had to pick up a few tools.
The guys are right on here, lawyers are bottom feeders, you never divulge your assets to them, and you never tell them anything you do not want repeated, "soooooo much for attorney client confidentiality.
Few really care about the case they elect to defend or pursue, because they get paid whether they win or lose. They are thieves, and steal from the public without doing the work, and the judiciary which was at one time one of them, supports such behavior.
In short, they are dead heads who know little about the law, are poor examples of human beings, and lack the zeal to pursue the cause for the client they are hosing. I have always believed it good policy to sue the lawyer who brings the case against you, and name him as a defendant in your counterclaim. Kinda causes a conflict and works wonders for raising his malpractice insurance premium, that is, if he has any insurance. Pass the popcorn and get me another Corona. John
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TW, we never said there was no food inflation, we just said ethanol was not the main cause, it was mostly speculation and and other forces such as the rise in energy prices which increased processing and transportation cost. The raw ingredients were the least of the price rise cost
We also never said all lawyers are bad lawyers, we said they are subsidized also. Faust is probably one of the best, he also knows what it takes to produce something of substance.
If it weren't for lawyers we wouldn't need them-Mark Twain
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JAM: You said:
"What an arrogant racist you are Dennis!!! Glad I don't
know you."
I know Dennis, and he is not a racist.
There you go lying again. You know...the people you can't
stand. Guess you can't stand yourself. Neither can we.
lol.
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quote:
Originally posted by tw
MY REPLY IN CAPS.
[br]Sooooooooooooooo if corn and bean prices double because of a market rally there is no food inflation-all 'farmers' on this board agree.
WHEN CORN WENT UP 4 PENNIES PER POUND IT WAS EVIDENT THAT IT WAS NOT THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF TORTILLAS GOING UP 32 TO 64 PENNIES PER POUND. WHEN CORN WENT UP 4 PENNIES PER POUND IT WAS ALSO NOT ALL DUE TO ETHANOL OR BIO FUELS POLICIES. (4 PENNIES PER POUND WAS THE MAXIMUM RANGE IN CORN PRICES FROM HIGH TO LOW IN THE 2 YEARS PRECEDING THE WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE)
Buuuuuuuuuuuut if subsidies are removed prices will rise and supermarket shelves will empty and food will skyrocket. KINDA DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU CALL SUBSIDIES AND WHAT OTHER GOVERNMENT POLICIES (ALL WORLD GOVERNMENTS) GO WITH THE CHANGES.
IT SEEMS THAT IF SUBSIDIES ARE REMOVED, AMONG OTHER THINGS, PRICES FOR AND SUPPLIES OF PROGRAM CROPS WOULD BE MORE VOLATILE. THE RANGE IN PRICES WILL BE ALSO BE DETERMINED BY THINGS LIKE TRADE LAWS, CURRENCY RELATIONSHIPS, ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS, ETC.
Have I got this correct ?
DIIIIIID IIIIIIII mmmaaake enough lllllleeeetttterrrs to sound ssssssmmmmmaaaarrrrttt??????????
YOUR WISDOM OR LACK OF IT WILL BE DETERMINED BY WHAT YOU POST, NOT HOW MANY LETTERS THAT YOU USE SPEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL IT.
how many of you guys dont have lawyers?
I HAVE WORKED WITH TWO AND LIKE BOTH OF 'EM. I FARM A FEW ACRES FOR ONE OF THEM.
If there are no good ones does that include faust?
FAUST WOULD BE A BAAAAAAAADDDDDDDD ONE TO HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AN ISSUE IMPORTANT TO ME.


Henry Miller said it good- "The newspaper lies, the radio lies, the TV lies, the streets howl the truth."
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So jabber your argument boils down to the idea that the price of the basic food source which the finished food product comes from has little to do with the price of the finished product. If that is the case then the ONLY possible reason for farm programs is not to keep food prices low but rather to subsidize less than 1% of the population as to a particular lifestyle. If that is what you want to argue, go ahead. I disagree with the basic premise but you seem adamant about it. So go ahead and maintain that the only purpose for farm programs is to subsidize farmer?s lifestyle choices.
And 3020, your completely unsupported statements that lawyers pass the laws is nonsense. If EVERY lawyer in the US Congress ALL agreed to pass something they still could not because they do not have enough votes in total to pass anything. Now you, 48 and Dennis have stated in writing here that if you know someone that they are good but if you don?t know them then they are bad is about as self-centered and arrogant as one can get. But you guys do an excellent job of leading that crowd on here. Keep up the good work. LOL.
By the way TUT, why don't you tell us what you personally have done to make Indiana proud. We can?t wait to hear of all of your service to the State and the great things you have done to further Indiana.
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Some in big food are too busy counting their profits to answer.
They are welcome to price their products as they see fit. They should not and will not get away with blaming farmers and bio fuels as the primary causes of price increases. Question is how many smart, truthful, and responsible people are there in the media that are looking to get the story right?
"----we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - - the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones."
Donald H. Rumsfeld
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Boys
Forget corn. Plant switchgrass. How much does it cost to grow a ton? Are you tired seeing your $1000 ton fertilizer floating down the Missouri & on to the Mississippi and becoming Algae off the Louisiana coast? Now everybody will plant beans and watch bean prices tumult, (or did they Friday)? Give it a rest.[}][}][}][}]
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Ya know Studly you appear to be a player as evidenced by your not knowing the markets.....most of us on here are the real deal....JMHO
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quote:
Originally posted by studman
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Boys
Forget corn. Plant switchgrass. How much does it cost to grow a ton? Are you tired seeing your $1000 ton fertilizer floating down the Missouri & on to the Mississippi and becoming Algae off the Louisiana coast? Now everybody will plant beans and watch bean prices tumult, (or did they Friday)? Give it a rest.[}][}][}][}]


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So Dave
Tell us how the Algae plant is progressing over there in Marshall?
Are they ready for real time production?
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Nope all has been quiet for a while....I do hope they make a go of it....and with oil on the way up they might just pull it off....
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[]Dave,
You are just a little grumpy because you sold beans
before the last of the past rally--we did too--but
still playing the corn/milo--NOT what most suggest.
Studly must have missed the markets last week-completely.
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Ya know Dennis...the old saying....Get Greedy Get Needy....well I can sleep well with selling the beans....and I AM holding a bunch of corn.....I just hope that my guess about a weather bump will hold....48 and I talked about this and he said I was crazy....I told him that I was not crazy just a little bit cognitively deficient...LOL
Than again I am thinking than ANY of us in this business must be some what deficient, eh.....[?]
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It was interessting markets today---we will see what
"they" have to say in the morning--
BTW--we are out of o8 beans and corn, still 80% milo NOT priced---yipes!
I want to pay taxes---my plans are to be able to retire some day
and NOT have to live or/and die on the combine---48 just doesn't
want to have to get away from home to enjoy some of the other
things in life---[][}][]--the fricken imigrant from Texass.
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Dennis: I love what I do. I can step out the door and shoot
pheasants and deer. I love running big iron. I'm planting
all corn this year. No itchin' and *****in'. My corn is
80% planted. I just got in from helping my Lessee refill.
I love cattle and fixing fence. No flies. No skeeters. Not
too hot. Lush green grass. Life is good. When you and ses
get done planting bindweed on a stick, I'm thinking a post
planting get together would be nice. The a$$hole owes me a
steak anyway. lol.
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Can you see or say RATTLESNAKE?---the kind that hide under the
fence line--fixen fence when it isn't hot, flies and sketters
humm'in and bit'en--you must be in the desert with an ample
supply of vultures(birds)[]
If WE wait until the first part of August for Dave of MidMO--
you will be so fat from eat'in your Lesee's corn, we won't
be able to stand you---you didn't eat your own cus you
were to tight to lower the yield, but now you got one on
the line....[]
We will make it work when ever the date(s) is/are set!
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Anyone else notice something?
It is Friday, medication day(s) are again here--
subject---tw
Some people just don't work smart, work hard, just not smart.
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tw: Not that it's any of your business, but I am retired.
I still farm three quarters and run 260 stockers. I trade
commodities in the mornings and mess around on agweb while
I'm waiting for the markets to do something. I work in the
afternoons. I have helped my Lessee plant over 3000A of
irrigated corn. Now, we're to the dryland. Just WTF do you
do???
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[quote]Originally posted by dennis1
[br]Anyone else notice something?
It is Friday, medication day(s) are again here--
subject---tw
Some people just don't work smart, work hard, just not smart.
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quote]
There are those who do and those who think about doing.
some think faster than others.
Dennis go have another drink and pull the dew claws off a puppy-that ALWAYS makes you feel better.
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Faust/glowplug/Dennis: Thanx for the kind words fellers.
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JAM and DEC My ex father in law used to always say "If your so smart why aren't you rich". That being said, You guys must be rich. Why are you trying so hard to re-educate us. Have we not told you several times we don't want your BS here. So please leave. You know it is funny the smartest guys have the hardest time understanding that they are not wanted. Again go away we don't want to hear your propiganda.
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tw quote:"Dennis go have another drink and pull the dew claws off a puppy-that ALWAYS makes you feel better."
Yes, when a neighbor pulls in and needs some help, sometimes
a drink is pretty good about this time of day--but about those
dew claws---that is NOT in my job descriptsion---I live with the
lady who does do some dew claw removal on those that require
that porocedure---just think circumcise, it is with a very
sharp instrument--NOT pulled...pre-24 hours of age.
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6620: Thanx for the backup.
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What a knee-jerk, inbred response ignorant response 6620, and 48 for backing this inane response up. Blame someone else for your actions. This is even simpler than TV; if you don?t like it don?t read it. You don?t even have to turn it off. Simply don?t read it. Don?t act like someone is forcing you to sit there and read any of this. But no, instead you come on here with some stupid simpleton remark about how if I don?t agree with you then I should leave. But no, it?s my fault you sit here and read what you don?t want. I know, some supernatural force makes you sit here and read stuff. You have no control over it. Show at least a little bit of character. Both of you.
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JAM: We are real farmers who don't like our site being
hijacked by Big Specs and environmental lawyers. Before
you give someone lessons on character, you need to look
in the mirror friend. Best.
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